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I'm curious in that situation, do you know if they split the code bases out to align with the new team structure or were they still working in three different chunks of code, but now had all the people in talent necessary in each feature team? We found 28 entries for Michael Nygaard in the United States. The name Michael Nygaard has over 27 birth records, 6 death records, 10 criminal/court records, 84 address records, 17 phone records and more. So let's go back to architecture again. Nasi stażyści szkolą się w temacie Agile i poznają nowoczesne metody wytwarzania oprogramowania. By the way, we did get rid of that field, but it's really an example of something, I think, Churchill said: "We shape our buildings and thereafter they shape us," but you can say the same thing about the tools. But there's definitely an alternate path you could go down and say, "I'm going to have strongly typed interfaces and those types are then how I communicate between the parallel streams. Michael Nygard Well, that's going to require action by a large number of different parts of your organization. I love that story of the decentralized decision making in the triple seven engineering teams. Some of these techniques may appear to contradict past notions of sound architecture. There are famous stories about Toyota giving tours to managers from General Motors and explaining all of just-in-time production and lean manufacturing to them. Gregor Hohpe talks about the architect's elevator. They will use the tools they already know. You pass in a GraphQL Query. And so he writes about what that cost might look like. It's the shadow structure that will determine the true architecture of your software. I had imagined 40 plus years, is that right? What distinguishes in the tale of two outages? Does that resonate with you? So I won't say that they're all happy with IT, or happy with tech or, product development. Sometimes there are government restrictions that we may not know about ahead of time to take a form of payment on their behalf. Architecture as an organizing logic and means of software construction. 517-336-2419 Leonore Manago. It is to a great extent architecture that enabled Amazons to achieve their goals. We cannot predict the details, but we can learn the general patterns. We overload our terms a lot in this industry. So I think that was a very profound observation. It just reminds me of the book Team of Teams, where the silos were Army Rangers, Navy seals, et cetera. Michael will share techniques at various levels of abstraction, from implementation details to API design and responsibility allocation. I interrupted you. Michael Nygard; Michael Nygard's Reputation Profile. I might liken that to creating product teams, that each have their own reporting hierarchy, but together are bound around the construct of the product. By 2015, they're doing 136,000 deployments a day. So that is an element of structure. So what I find so dazzling about this is that, as we're analyzing the Amazon, thou shalt use APIs story. Michael has helped businesses and technology leaders in their transformation journeys over his long career and was even one of the inspirations behind The Unicorn Project’s protagonist, Maxine. His work has pioneered patterns that we're all familiar with now, such as circuit breakers, the bulkhead pattern, chaos engineering, and so many more. That's what puts it on the poor end. That word covers situations ranging from essential to accidental to comical to cosmic. You earn 1 point when others like your proposal. Quite a lot, as it turns out. Your assertion was that static typing and broadcasting, that is a phenomenal time-saver that let alone the correctness advantages that you can make and get out of it. Where at any given time we'll have a graph QL query coming in via HTTP at the front end and at the back end, we have a teletype message going out to an airline or a baggage claim. Say, we can do it in eight weeks and then an extra 20 weeks to deal with issue X, Y, Z and W because each of them is costing us 10,000 hours a year in maintenance, right? And so you have to be able to speak both those languages. How is the structure different in the one that you have to go up five, down three, versus the one where two engineers can just work together to solve the problem? And don't forget the value of being able to delete things or shut things down. And then we try to make every change as small and local as possible. I know something about the construction of the components, but I know nothing about how they're allowed to interact. Oh my gosh. And I quote, "Initiative, the willingness to act on one's own judgment is a prerequisite for boldness. Which is pretty easy to do. It's built like a realtime operating system. It really was extraordinarily difficult to even do small things. And I remember laughing when I heard this because it matches one of my own 'aha' moments, which is really that you need an org chart and a software architecture that are congruent. If you enjoyed today's interview of Steve, I know you'll enjoy both of those presentations as well. You pass in a Blob JavaScript, or sorry, JSON. If you were not able to meet him at the JDD conference last Monday, you can always listen to his talk during our Sabre meetup that will take place on Wednesday next week. And if all those things are true, then suddenly you can do deployments during normal business hours with negligible downtime.It was such an 'aha' moment to understand that these are the characteristics that allow for developer productivity, for better safety, for liability.Mike, does that resonate with you and what are the other attributes of good architecture? But the person hearing it doesn't have the baseline knowledge to draw those conclusions, right? Can you share one like that? He actually did a controlled experiment: three teams working on a compiler and four teams working on a compiler, and the 3-team generated a 3-pass compiler, 4-team compiler generated a 4-pass compiler. He talked about boldness and initiative, specifically about cultivating the ability to take calculated risks. And he said he inherited his project, and to develop a feature, you had the front end engineers work on one thing. Which results in a whole bunch of dynamics that are almost a function in totality of the structure. Michael Nygard. They place a great emphasis on trusting superiors, subordinates and peers. Nygard has helped businesses and technology leaders in their transformation journeys over his long career and was even one of the inspirations behind The Unicorn Project’s protagonist, Maxine.. Real-life stories of technology leaders’ transformation journeys. You’ll work on real problems drawn from a variety of industries. And so you're not trying to load all of them in one place. And you had an amazing article about that, in terms of a scaling, about if the goal is to enable teams to work independently without a lot of communication coordination with other teams, not because we don't like talking to other people, but now that does slow down the ability for teams to get things done. By having that connection with the leaders on the business side as well. And when asked, "Why are you teaching us, we are your competitors being told? Stripe does this extremely well. In fact, it appears that TPF was in some way factored out of the original Sabre system back when Sabre was not the name of a company, but it was actually just the name of the machine. But someone else might hear it and go, "Okay. Even though the org chart might look the same, there is actually an explicit interface that says these people are allowed to talk to each other to achieve a common goal, and that is not contradictory to the goals of each one of those silos. Yeah. It showed that the fastest airplane didn’t always win the dogfight. But you said that-. Inability to change higher cost of maintaining the old stuff, that sort of thing. It wasn't all fully tested. There’s no silver bullet that will make it easy to decompose a monolith, but you’ll learn some techniques that have helped and some pitfalls to avoid, all based on Michael's experience with both successful and failed transformations. One of them delivered under budget is performing well, has three for developers because they're using a language like Closure and they have superpowers, naturally. Michael has written and co-authored several books, including 97 Things Every Software Architect Should Know and the bestseller Release It!, a book about building software that survives the real world. Everyone had to teach the same things in order to get things done. Failing to explain any of the rationale about why you're doing this or what you expect people to do differently. So that focus on the interfaces very, very important. I'm pretty active there as M-T-N-Y-G-A- -R-D. And you can use. Well, I'm on Twitter. And the goal was to be able to allow the devs and DBAs to work independently. The reverse end has all of those things and it improves feedback loops, closes broken feedback loops where they have them aligns people's incentives with their positions, creates clear areas of authority, where they can at recursive levels of the organization and you know what your parameters are? These things that engender trust, whether it's through vulnerability, authenticity, clarity of mission, succinct message that everyone can see how their daily work helps advance is or is not connected to the grand goals. One organization in order to resolve an issue. What definition do you in your thinking's writings and doings? I remember reading his Seminole book, Release It. What can a rogue fighter pilot from the 1960’s teach us about software architecture? Since 2014, he has been the founder and organizer of DevOps Enterprise Summit, studying the technology transformations of large, complex organizations. So given that, it was a little funny to hear how influenced he was by the US Marine Stockton, which he held up as the gold standard of what effective decentralized decision making looked like. Vice President of Enterprise Architecture, Workshop - Architecture Without an End State workshop. And one of the things I've found is that most of them would actually like to know more about why things are the way they are. It's a funny story because it's sort of an extension to the extreme of patterns that we've actually seen, right? Post back to the interview. It is difficult to overstate how much of my own work was deeply influenced and inspired by Mike Nygard. Okay. We need to stop aiming for the end state and understand that change is continuous. So talks into that resonate with your own experiences. And this is vision of a different type than saying we're going to be, I don't know, the greatest company to work for in the US. We overload our terms a lot in this industry. Wouldn't that be better? So everything is deferred to runtime and I find all my errors once I try to actually run things. In fact, it may happen faster if they disagree with your intentions. I wanted to throw it across the cabin because Mike was describing so many problems I had seen in my career with such incredible clarity. So what are the takeaways that you think are universal? Get full address, contact info, background report and more! I love Stripe's APIs. And just to be able to hear your experiences and learnings over the years. I would say that another aspect of it is that you don't need global knowledge. This episode is brought to you by IT Revolution, whose mission is to help technology leaders succeed through publishing and events. It was [crosstalk 00:07:11]-. They had to escalate five levels up and then down three. So I was initially chief engineer for my commerce client and eventually for the whole central region of the US. I'm sure you'll have it all done in four weeks, and I'll talk to you then. Living with systems in production taught Michael about the importance of operations and writing production-ready software. You totally did. What can a rogue fighter pilot from the 1960’s teach us about software architecture? He is the author of six books, The Unicorn Project (2019), and co-author of the Shingo Publication Award winning Accelerate (2018), The DevOps Handbook (2016), and The Phoenix Project (2013). There's a lot to unpack there. So it doesn't take very many incidents before those review processes and the scrutiny ramp back up, and the fewer fault isolation barriers you have, or the larger your failure domains are, the faster those review processes are going to ramp back up. That's a good reorg. Michael is currently Vice President, Travel Solutions Platform Development Enterprise Architecture, for Sabre, the company reimaging the business of travel. This session will present a technique for analyzing your system’s capacity–either during development or as you contemplate changes. And so their countermeasure was to create something called SPRouter. I don't know if it's going to take us off topic or in a different direction. It's a real time operating system that runs on IBM mainframes. For sponsorship inquiries, please contact Ann Perry ([email protected]). Right. Just to confirm, this is the phenomenon where I make a small change to my part of the system, and then some of the system blows up, something terrible happens. (One popular infomercial shows incompetent people mangling tomatoes transitioning into Ginsu-wielding sous chefs; the architecture pitch starts with hideous complexity then moves to clean orthogonal box diagrams.) You mentioned boundary spanning. Or, am I going to be harmed in the future in ways that I don't yet understand? I mean, sometimes gallows humor is all we've got, but what I mean is, we're trying to engender continuous change in the org, but without blowing it all up at any point along the way, it has to continue working. In the latest episode of The Idealcast, Gene Kim is joined by Michael Nygard, a senior vice president at Sabre and author of the bestselling Release It! It seems to reinforce this notion that one of the responsibility of leaders is not just to design the organization, but also make sure that there is an architecture that is suitable for achieving that mission. Moment. Highly-available, highly-scalable commerce systems are his forte. That means asking your manager or your director, or whatever, and most people just don't want to do that. You go, "So if we have a problem with our database right now, we're going to lose the last five minutes of order data, and we might not be able to recover the last hours worth of orders." And so I'm only going to present the options in the go if that I know that they take." Release It! Actually, GraphQL is probably not a good example because it's more strongly typed. Now, in terms of the org chart, this is where I think there's something really profound in what Conway said, which is that it is the communication structure of the org that creates that software architecture. He shares his passion and energy for improvement with everyone he meets, sometimes even with their permission. So I often feel like too much of a generalist to really put myself in any one category. Capital versus expense balance sheet, time value of money, getting benefits now versus getting benefits later. Michael Nygard SVP, Enterprise Architecture at Sabre Corporation. And then you paint this other extreme, where those two engineers are immediately able to contact each other and solve the problem together much more quickly. And I'll just mention one more slide that really caught my attention. Yeah. And this is something that I've done a lot. 517-336-5398 Issaic Saletta If you're doing refactoring well, there's no point at which your tests all completely fail. Google is famous for its scale, processing something like 70,000 searches every second. The short story goes: back in 2008 and the bad, dark days of Etsy, they had this problem where in order for the company to ship a feature, two teams would have to work together. You would just always be coding, always be coding, but we can't. In other words, if you lack safety and you try to make a change in an environment that doesn't protect the rest of the environment, then your actions have outsized impact on everyone, or even the organization as a whole. That interface is then a boundary in the structure of the software. Highly-available, highly-scalable commerce systems are his forte. Michael Nygard strives to raise the bar and ease the pain for developers around the world. 6. Experience GE Capital Retail Finance January 2012 - Present FICO April 2011 - January 2012 FICO June 2009 - April 2011 GE Money June 2004 - February 2009 G.E. Or I should say the disincentives applied. So that experience sort of set me up, understanding running the software as well as building the software. And so at the risk of seeming pedantic, you have to develop a personal style that lets you do this where they understand you're trying to help, not condescend. I love this. schedule 11 months ago. It became untenable, unsafe and a huge productivity hit to implement anything anymore.". So I was the only one who cared about the Linux machines, which also meant I could break them and recreate them. Conversations with experts about the important ideas changing how organizations compete and win. In the latest episode of The Idealcast, Gene Kim is joined by Michael Nygard, a senior vice president at Sabre and author of the bestselling Release It! Use your environment to communicate the changes." Yeah. And he was describing the incredibly elegant solutions required to mitigate so many of those problems. So paying attention to the structure is definitely universal. Could you do it in eight weeks instead of 20? One of the things that I had shared with you two weeks ago was positing this notion that structure is the way the teams are structured as well as the architecture that we work within. Because they had done the analysis of the economics and said, a pound of weight has to be carried on every trip, back and forth that the plane makes. He said, one of his engineers said in a very Israeli way, "Really, I don't think you are a very good manager because this is a terrible way of working.". In the latest episode of The Idealcast, Gene Kim is joined by Michael Nygard, a senior vice president at Sabre and author of the bestselling Release It! Did I characterize that? Well, first I'm going to appeal to authority because I'm certainly not the first person to make that claim. As always, the goal of the programming committee is to bring you the best experience reports and to out-program all our previous events. 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